tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post1407135130313110035..comments2024-03-15T05:39:01.295-04:00Comments on Tank Archives: Sherman vs TigerPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comBlogger82125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-44890131342602619332020-11-24T16:12:12.820-05:002020-11-24T16:12:12.820-05:00In another US document the Navy ballistic limit fo...In another US document the Navy ballistic limit for the 76mm M62 APC shell was determined as 1774fps. For 75mm M61 APC shell it would be just a little bit higher at 1781fps equivalent to 750m(!).<br />I went to check the report of this trial and there you go: the initial velocity for the M61 shell is listed as 564m/s(1850fps)!<br /><br />The actual distances for the 75mm M3 gun w/ 2030fps muzzle velocity would not be 400m and 650m but 950m and 1200m respectively.Peasanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00548023869907629898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-57329067077553796932020-10-10T06:07:03.497-04:002020-10-10T06:07:03.497-04:00M4 was not any "shitty little tank" thou...M4 was not any "shitty little tank" though. It arguably was the all-around best tank in the war.Steamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03168408910815449710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-19360601951954066632019-12-13T02:15:40.604-05:002019-12-13T02:15:40.604-05:00I had many conversations with my late Father, a Pu...I had many conversations with my late Father, a Purple Heart Veteran, landed on Utah Beach 3rd day of the Normandy invasion. His service was with the 3rd Armored Division, Recon. Co., as an A4E8 Sherman driver. He was on his 3rd Sherman (and crew) when he was severely wounded in the left leg and evacuated to England. He said they seldom saw German tanks except killed ones, and they were rare then. The other Shermans he (and his crew) luckily bailed out of were hit, he believed, by 88mm guns. He said “ the damn things were pre-positioned on every road and intersection and the <br />Germans could shoot them like sniper rifles. They’d let you get so close they couldn’t miss and at those distances, they’d penetrate anything every time.” He always said “he believed his tank was hit by 88 ( Flak) gunfire because he ( and everybody else he ever talked to in theater that went through similar encounters) had no idea WHAT hit them. They just knew they were still alive and if they wanted to continue to stay that way, they had to get as far as possible away from the now immobile target. He said the knocked out German armor and light vehicles all appeared to have been hit from above ( heavy strafing by Thunderbolt fire) or artillery rounds from above. Everybody, German and American, shunned tank on tank slugout contests as the usual outcome, in his observation, was you killed each other. You fought from ambush, and if you were lucky enough to survive the next 5 minutes after you fired the main gun rounds that stopped your opponent, you had better be heading at top speed away from the area because every available piece of artillery was going to be firing in your direction. A hit in the top rear engine area by artillery shrapnel (it didn’t have to be a direct hit) would either stop immediately or badly damage any powerplant, be it Maybach or Wright and if you stopped after attracting your opponent’s attention you were dead. He repeated this on many occasions. He did say the Germans seemed to not have any vehicle resources or replacements, and their gas and ammo was usually moved by horse-drawn wagons. He saw thousands (his words) of dead horses, still hitched to whatever they had been pulling, with the drivers bodies nearby. That was from artillery or aircraft, but on rare instances, infantry or armored vehicle fire as well. But he always repeated “ We didn’t stop to examine anything because stopping meant dying.”Campchairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08437494703854942228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-40675502193206338542019-07-30T18:11:41.895-04:002019-07-30T18:11:41.895-04:00Crouts and japs lost when they were stronger, at M...Crouts and japs lost when they were stronger, at Moscow,Stalingrad,midway, guadalcanal, kokoda and elsewhere. The Germans lost (twice) hands down, fair and square. In both world wars they were outsmarted, outfought and out managed. The story of them being efficient is a joke. I say that responsibly as I live and work among them. When everything works well and there is enough time to prepare and execute something, all is great. Come some unexpected factor it all falls apart and its all over from the start. They generally cannot think on their feet and ability to improvise is zero. That last can be regarded as a definition of war. They were winning simply because they prepared for war when everyone else was not (or started too late). Notwithstanding that they attacked almost everyone without declaring war, making surprise attacks one country at a time. Waging a global war without preparing for winter...without ever thinking of changing your codes...without making any kind of strategic air capability...how stupid do you have to be? Blind belief in that uber alles bull####, that's how. Von Paulus surrendering with his pudle pet dog with infantrymen starving, that is the German military for you. <br />If they were producing Sherman's or t34s, AND had them in large numbers they would have lost just the same. As for if they had as many tigers as the other guy has shermans: if my aunt had a penis she would be my uncle.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00632019002380898205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-39067098869857895352019-07-09T12:14:54.625-04:002019-07-09T12:14:54.625-04:00>> "..Shermans only encountered Tigers ...>> "..Shermans only encountered Tigers 3 times during the war.."<br /><br />We should all check our references, and not rely on our memories.<br /><br />The truth is, AMERICAN-crewed Shermans met Tigers only 3 times during the NORMANDY TO GERMANY campaign.<br /><br />American Shermans met Tigers many other times in Tunisia, in Sicily, and in Italy.<br /><br />British, Canadian, Russian, New Zealand and other people's Shermans also fought Tigers.<br />the_ownerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17353047043939988140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-60866020798906626202018-05-22T06:11:11.390-04:002018-05-22T06:11:11.390-04:00The fist Tiger lost by an allied gun was by a Brit...The fist Tiger lost by an allied gun was by a British 6 pounder in the begging of 1943, which was fairly common gun.<br />The Soviets had the T34/85 which can pose a threat to the Tiger, not to mention the SU-152, SU-122. In 1943 the Tiger was fearsome tank but not invulnerable by any means.Omarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14033640348849472794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-17936337342635035812018-03-01T13:32:14.188-05:002018-03-01T13:32:14.188-05:00The introduction of a 76 mm gun was planned long b...The introduction of a 76 mm gun was planned long before anyone has seen a Tiger. Same thing with the Soviets, upping divisional artillery and medium tanks to 85 mm was planned even before Operation Barbarossa. Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-10346011699476504582018-03-01T12:28:19.868-05:002018-03-01T12:28:19.868-05:00I was referring only on fight when Wittmann was ki...I was referring only on fight when Wittmann was killed, when fatal hit was by Firefly's 17 pounder after multiple blows of 75's.<br />Would US army ordnance bother at all with introduce and logistic of new 76mm cannon with 50% higher muzzle velocity and capability of firing (very rare) tungsten AP shells if the old M3 L/40 was reported as sufficient on the battlefields against German armor?Al Cranehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08798611583514481137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-86377575927660049522018-03-01T09:26:01.732-05:002018-03-01T09:26:01.732-05:00Shermans in Soviet service knocked out Tigers, and...Shermans in Soviet service knocked out Tigers, and those didn't have 17-pounders at all. In Radley-Walters' famous ambush, the non-Firefly Shermans also claimed two Tiger kills. Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-60066870281436043682018-03-01T08:39:26.212-05:002018-03-01T08:39:26.212-05:00... yes, Fireflies with QF 17 pounder.... yes, Fireflies with QF 17 pounder.Al Cranehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08798611583514481137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-73464506520512198692018-01-07T16:52:28.312-05:002018-01-07T16:52:28.312-05:00Why don't you read up on Tiger 131, where it g...Why don't you read up on Tiger 131, where it got knocked out by Churchill 6pdrs. <br /><br />Or the Battle or Arracourt where Patton traded 25 Shermans for 86 Panthers and Pz IVs because Shermans in the fog OP.<br /><br />But hey, let's not forget one of the two times the US faced a confirmed Tiger, the Shermans shot it a bunch and it died. The second time a Tiger killed a shitty M26 and then died to getting shot by a Sherman.<br /><br />There was also this one time some Canadian Shermans totally rekt Whittmans Tiger and all his Tiger buddies.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09943381146265895298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-72369818836755575342018-01-06T12:05:57.248-05:002018-01-06T12:05:57.248-05:00lol you really hate the german vehicles of WW2 don...lol you really hate the german vehicles of WW2 don't you?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10636149930554648639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-74563927796942037572018-01-06T12:03:39.652-05:002018-01-06T12:03:39.652-05:00The tiger was pretty much indestructible when it w...The tiger was pretty much indestructible when it was introduced. Only around 1944 did the allies developed anti tank weapons effective against it frontallyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10636149930554648639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-43433886634733551092018-01-06T11:56:53.991-05:002018-01-06T11:56:53.991-05:003000+ Heavy Bombers wont make your shitty little t...3000+ Heavy Bombers wont make your shitty little tank batter tho it's still a shitty little tank no matter how superior your air force isAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10636149930554648639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-26541044092961196032018-01-06T11:54:59.993-05:002018-01-06T11:54:59.993-05:00Being able to penetrate the enemy tank from the si...Being able to penetrate the enemy tank from the side isn't impressive in the slightest Capitain. This whole comment section is full of Wehrmach haters who circle jerk each other "We can penetrate the Tiger from the side at a good angle. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10636149930554648639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-73472735273864626832018-01-06T11:52:49.074-05:002018-01-06T11:52:49.074-05:00Ehhh.... you can penetrate the Tiger from the side...Ehhh.... you can penetrate the Tiger from the side.. yepeeeeeee... great news.. if you manage to flank the enemy fire at a good angle... which wasn't easy to do.. but yeah the Sherman was perfectly capable of dealing with the Tiger.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10636149930554648639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-88897384437235636602018-01-06T11:51:06.593-05:002018-01-06T11:51:06.593-05:00Lol this is pathetic. The sherman main gun was abl...Lol this is pathetic. The sherman main gun was able to penetrate THE SIDE of the Tiger at perfect 90 degree angle therefore the The Sherman was perfectly capable of dealing with the Tiger?? Hhahahah yeah perfectly capable if it managed to flang it and fire at that sweet 90 degree angle.. which isn't easy to do when that thing can take you out at 1,5 kilometers. How does this disprove "the myth of Tiger superiority" ???Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10636149930554648639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-82470872638380628032017-12-18T00:25:15.353-05:002017-12-18T00:25:15.353-05:00information from a video game>information from ...information from a video game>information from the men who actually had the real damn things, apparentlyMonika did nothing wronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10894298398919887721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-86876782281579569192017-11-05T20:48:32.386-05:002017-11-05T20:48:32.386-05:00To the Wehrmacht enthusiast commenters still trick...To the Wehrmacht enthusiast commenters still trickling into this post: have you considered buying a shirt that proudly shows your Überright opinion on this subject for all to see? Consider this <a href="https://www.redbubble.com/people/jcdent/works/25473947-german-big-cat?p=t-shirt&style=mens&body_color=charcoal_heather&print_location=front" rel="nofollow">fine uniform </a>for your next IRL street meeting!<br /><br />(PS I am not associated with or make money off this, I just like it)<br />Cliff S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10290832919724470022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-51893639115541189322017-10-13T16:51:24.172-04:002017-10-13T16:51:24.172-04:00So War Thunder is more historically accurate than ...So War Thunder is more historically accurate than history? That's one hot take.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-67430251468561222152017-10-12T08:22:11.774-04:002017-10-12T08:22:11.774-04:00Seriously, stop believing the obvious lie which yo...Seriously, stop believing the obvious lie which you so desperately cling to. Fire up war thunder. Make a custom battle against historical Sherman and the Tiger. Use historical M62 ammunition. You will quickly see reality of the combat and will be less inclined to personal delusions about the "glories of 75mm" peashooter. Ernestashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00760126395459851643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-27567124274426432472017-05-09T10:58:25.262-04:002017-05-09T10:58:25.262-04:00Do you have a scan of the US tests? I only have th...Do you have a scan of the US tests? I only have the Soviet and British tests.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-58598347777954153852017-05-09T10:46:42.967-04:002017-05-09T10:46:42.967-04:00The report seems to indicate a 90 degree orthogona...The report seems to indicate a 90 degree orthogonal attack. In other words, there is no obliquity to the shot angle. many here would be surprised what a side angle of 30 degrees would do to the results. The US tested M72 against the sides of the Tiger. Yugonamehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09363049276280844713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-152039978888367662017-02-19T23:29:40.282-05:002017-02-19T23:29:40.282-05:00"(there was a third time, but the tigers were..."(there was a third time, but the tigers were being loaded onto rail cars, so it wasn't really a fair fight ;))"<br /><br />There was a fourth time: a T26E3 knocked out a Tiger with two shots at 900 yards, the first of which (T30E16) sheared off a final drive and the second of which (T33) penetrated the gun shield and entered the turret. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05164452067163677680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-37652608004620874002017-02-11T09:22:04.232-05:002017-02-11T09:22:04.232-05:00The 4-5 Shermans to 1 enemy tank came from US tact...The 4-5 Shermans to 1 enemy tank came from US tactical doctrine. The smallest tank unit you sent to engage an enemy is a platoon - consisting of 5 tanks! So even if its just an enemy halftrack, they still sent out a platoon.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09992029626781430330noreply@blogger.com