tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post6313082153923542363..comments2024-03-15T05:39:01.295-04:00Comments on Tank Archives: Cheating at Statistics 2Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-8049880492614209282015-01-02T13:42:54.754-05:002015-01-02T13:42:54.754-05:00Nobody got shot with machineguns for desertion. Th...Nobody got shot with machineguns for desertion. The blocking units were there to detain, re-organize, and send fleeing soldiers back into the battle. If you refused to return or fled repeatedly, that's when you would get tried for desertion.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-23116645071125759082015-01-02T11:16:57.605-05:002015-01-02T11:16:57.605-05:00As far shooting deserters, I believe any army did ...As far shooting deserters, I believe any army did that, including all of the allied armies...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17999005433869504880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-71818734255281762432015-01-02T11:16:13.135-05:002015-01-02T11:16:13.135-05:00@D86: If you are referring to the part of Order 22...@D86: If you are referring to the part of Order 227, which required armies to maintain barrier troops (those were the guys in the back with the machine guns, shooting fleeing soldiers), that part was rescinded after only three months, because it's effect on morale was actually quite the opposite of what they intended...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17999005433869504880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-78555825393858844782014-10-23T10:32:14.971-04:002014-10-23T10:32:14.971-04:00When I was in the Army, we trained in the National...When I was in the Army, we trained in the National Training Center in California. Sometimes up to three soldiers would report the same tank , resulting in three tanks instead of just the one. Maybe in the confusion of real battle, tired, hungry, sleep deprived, and scared soldiers described tank kills from their personal perspective without someone checking to see if they were over reporting.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214797320267245215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-91159743028572574922014-05-16T16:47:56.209-04:002014-05-16T16:47:56.209-04:00Actually, compare to the red army, wehrmacht punis...Actually, compare to the red army, wehrmacht punished suspection and desertion more harshly especially towards the end of the war. Not to mention their favorite form of execution, hanging, while soviet preferred pistols.....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05769642593747910845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-41617678157881922262014-05-16T16:41:06.660-04:002014-05-16T16:41:06.660-04:00I've heard one account that one Jagdtiger was ...I've heard one account that one Jagdtiger was shot by Shermans in the front, the 250mm frontal armor did not take any serious damage. However, the crews of the Jagdtiger were such pussies that they turned back and make a hasy retreat. That's when Shermans fired at its side and destoryed it. <br />------Source, WikipediaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05769642593747910845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-21102288677623505982014-03-23T09:30:06.966-04:002014-03-23T09:30:06.966-04:00Well, I heard those on Historical section discusse...Well, I heard those on Historical section discussed about Panther crew disengaging after taking a 75 mm shell to the front. So it seemed Soviet crews got more guts than the Germans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-44379357119093603712013-12-05T13:10:23.338-05:002013-12-05T13:10:23.338-05:00Ive come across many accounts where soviet crews w...Ive come across many accounts where soviet crews would abandon their vehicle, after hearing too many knocks on its armour. Perhaps!rsepphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09063407303372456127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-92158072468347275802013-11-28T11:22:48.127-05:002013-11-28T11:22:48.127-05:00The turret ring hit that gouged a scoop out of the...The turret ring hit that gouged a scoop out of the KV-2 could have jammed the traverse. An examination by US technicians of a JS 2m disabled and abandoned in Berlin showed the turret ring was not hardened, and would be vulnerable to damage by nearby, non-penetrating hits on the hardened turret armor. -- posted by Robert Livingston Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-41626417501011345592013-10-11T22:02:24.934-04:002013-10-11T22:02:24.934-04:00That didn't explain why the German has less ne...That didn't explain why the German has less need to make up numbers at all.<br /><br />I mean, good kill/loss ratio is a good tool for propaganda, which is used excessively in Nazi Germany. So why not?Kai Mikoyannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-75734353548899334622013-08-07T08:32:12.077-04:002013-08-07T08:32:12.077-04:00A dent in the turret ring may have actually done i...A dent in the turret ring may have actually done internal damage through spalling. Im sure you have seen what HESH does vs non spaced Armour. Good article however all sides make up statistics. Not just the gerries. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-81347329949153109582013-08-04T19:25:19.638-04:002013-08-04T19:25:19.638-04:00So you're going to disregard photographic evid...So you're going to disregard photographic evidence, just because in the Red Army (as well as in most armies, by the way) desertion is punished? Suit yourself, I guess.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-71029381571501028772013-08-04T18:16:22.433-04:002013-08-04T18:16:22.433-04:00I do not believe the soviets any more than the ger...I do not believe the soviets any more than the germans. It is widely known that red armymen could be shot if retreating or losing a battle etc...<br />This was on the other hand more unusual on the german side, so they would have had less reason to fake any numbers.D86https://www.blogger.com/profile/00883180891894411825noreply@blogger.com