tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post6980075389849502086..comments2024-03-28T14:35:30.147-04:00Comments on Tank Archives: SU-152: From Assault Gun to Tank DestroyerPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-48025908110963482812018-05-17T10:04:10.455-04:002018-05-17T10:04:10.455-04:00Yes, everything you do not like is propaganda, as ...Yes, everything you do not like is propaganda, as usual.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-50760009655327470752018-05-17T04:55:40.722-04:002018-05-17T04:55:40.722-04:00No need for irony. I do not claim anything like th...No need for irony. I do not claim anything like this. The problem rests on Your shoulder by uncritically repeating the decades old, soviet wartime propaganda claims. Research has been much further than this by now. critical masshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02366274198749901618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-58669640551933919692018-05-15T09:19:16.768-04:002018-05-15T09:19:16.768-04:00I just hope if one day somewhat horribly miracle h...I just hope if one day somewhat horribly miracle happen when SU-152 fire a HE shell to M1A1 tank from the front and see what will happen... I know it is no use from both ancient and modern one meet together not even a slightly chance but hey, it worth imagination.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09607868075618283245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-30358700300322665762018-05-10T13:01:59.231-04:002018-05-10T13:01:59.231-04:00Yes, as we already established the Germans never l...Yes, as we already established the Germans never lost any Tigers. Never penetrated in combat, etc.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-18051775058896232982018-05-10T06:11:52.115-04:002018-05-10T06:11:52.115-04:00This article discuss SU-152 and TIGER I. None of t...This article discuss SU-152 and TIGER I. None of the TIGER were lost to Su-152 at Kursks. However, Peter S. goes so far as cite the tank unit claim (which didn´t mention damaged or knocked out but "destroyed") unreflected and goes on to mediate the Ferdinand claims in order to make the other more believeable. That whole Kursks story was ridiculous to the extreme. critical masshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02366274198749901618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-70880761422436035312018-05-06T00:06:05.181-04:002018-05-06T00:06:05.181-04:00There was a discussion on Western front losses. On...There was a discussion on Western front losses. One poster (Måkjager) had a pretty complete list that had 167 out of 200 KTs kaput'ed in the West until war's end. This long list has each tank's number and cause of demise cited, and when I reviewed it I counted 42 KTs lost before September 1944. <br /><br />Zaloga has a table on Western German tank losses by type (apparently based on a report sent in very late 1944 to Guderian) which has only 36 KT destroyed in the West, total, before December 1944 with *NONE* before September 1944. The Germans lost more KTs before September in the West than the "official" German losses have for all of 1944!Stewart Millenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01261690405884935161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-61896461346188140092018-05-04T23:37:18.762-04:002018-05-04T23:37:18.762-04:00Another example that came to mind: the 424th Heavy...Another example that came to mind: the 424th Heavy Tank Battalion, equipped with 29 Tigers and 23 Tiger IIs, was demolished in January of 1945 at Lisow, losing all of their heavy tanks within the span of a few days. However, the German losses for January of 1945 only total 6 Tiger IIs. Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-14931715504381971662018-05-04T11:36:58.367-04:002018-05-04T11:36:58.367-04:00There's a brief discussion in the comments of ...There's a brief discussion in the comments of the recent Podcast post.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-91053560497374940922018-05-04T06:38:04.578-04:002018-05-04T06:38:04.578-04:00Thanks for the information Peter!
Have you got any...Thanks for the information Peter!<br />Have you got any link o learn more about it? ThanksMotzkorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18316989921665401048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-66896828978992857922018-05-02T17:46:03.618-04:002018-05-02T17:46:03.618-04:00What maximum distance were gunnery trials performe...What maximum distance were gunnery trials performed at? As I see, there are at least 22 holes in that table, so I suppose this is not the same test like described in this article: http://tankarchives.blogspot.sk/2013/02/accuracy.html Crabteeth RMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09715071498952492184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-68076168920904999242018-05-02T16:54:31.479-04:002018-05-02T16:54:31.479-04:00There are several units that lose King Tigers on b...There are several units that lose King Tigers on both the Western Front (starting with July) and Eastern Front (starting with August). The loss in August at Ogledow was enormous, with 13-14 tanks (depending on who you ask) lost, but the Germans do not record any King Tiger losses at all until October.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-52916668289083671152018-05-02T16:36:31.336-04:002018-05-02T16:36:31.336-04:00Interesting Peter, the missing loss record of the ...Interesting Peter, the missing loss record of the Tiger 2 you are refering to is in general or a secific unit?Motzkorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18316989921665401048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-25503833252619995812018-04-30T14:43:18.951-04:002018-04-30T14:43:18.951-04:00I think the T-9 "casemate-telescopic" si...I think the T-9 "casemate-telescopic" sight is a periscope sight because the T-10 = ST-10 is one. But I thought TOD sights were direct telescope sights.Mobiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05256982406940327658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-90401011043784094382018-04-30T14:17:19.586-04:002018-04-30T14:17:19.586-04:00While you're here you can tell us what happene...While you're here you can tell us what happened to the King Tigers that don't show up on German loss records until October, yet show up in Soviet and British reports and photographs in the summer. Were these also PzIVs with Schurzen?<br /><br />Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-49403776959488340582018-04-30T13:27:36.461-04:002018-04-30T13:27:36.461-04:00Much depends on how the Germans counted losses als...Much depends on how the Germans counted losses also. The more I've learned the less I believe any of their statistics. Dat34https://www.blogger.com/profile/05191197983174208313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-75541630115068619522018-04-30T10:59:56.810-04:002018-04-30T10:59:56.810-04:00Recall that at the time the "skirted" IV...Recall that at the time the "skirted" IVs were a novelty and routinely misidentified as similar-looking Tigers from distance. This caused a major and costly tactical misjudgement at Prokhorovka for ex.Kellomieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04915110653443066212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-59105450447128711612018-04-30T08:34:45.609-04:002018-04-30T08:34:45.609-04:00Total AFV losses at AOK 9 were:
3 TIGER
26 Pz II/I...Total AFV losses at AOK 9 were:<br />3 TIGER<br />26 Pz II/III/IV/V<br />19 Ferdinand<br />17 StuG & SPG<br /><br />The 1541th SUP with SU-152 entered the battle of Kampfgruppe Burmeister against the 75th GRD and 16th TC. Sankovsky´s Su-152 CLAIMED multiple TIGERs in this action but the only TIGER lost /knocked out was due to a side penetrating 85mm hit. FERDINANDs were not involved in this action at all. Instead of TIGER´s the "beast killer" at Kursks knocked out Pz IV with Schürzen but it makes for a good propaganda to claim TIGERs...<br /><br /> were destroyed in AOK9 at the northern salient.critical masshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02366274198749901618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-14382311102430550252018-04-29T09:13:00.960-04:002018-04-29T09:13:00.960-04:00The Red Army finally had a heavy SPG that was appr...The Red Army finally had a heavy SPG that was approved for mass production. It was radically different from what the military wanted. But it met the realities of war. Those words of yours summed it up perfectly.Sager ,William A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06830369127449299646noreply@blogger.com