tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post7101312115808598462..comments2024-03-28T14:35:30.147-04:00Comments on Tank Archives: Artillery at KurskPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-72711400766431646342016-10-01T15:01:25.759-04:002016-10-01T15:01:25.759-04:00For comparison, Soviet irrecoverable losses (TWO) ...For comparison, Soviet irrecoverable losses (TWO) in the northern salient of Kursks 5th of July to 15th of July:<br />526 tanks and SPG<br /><br />Source: Zaev, report on losses (CAMO)critical masshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02366274198749901618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-91661579547836446642016-10-01T14:56:27.144-04:002016-10-01T14:56:27.144-04:00The 122mm preference over the 170mm was almost cer...The 122mm preference over the 170mm was almost certainly a well thought of and correct one.<br /><br />Actual vehicle losses (TWO) for Hgr. Mitte formations participating in attacks on the northern salient of Kursks from July 5th to July 14th:<br /><br />87 tanks, StuG, and Ferdinand. <br />Not included: Pz II losses, Pz38t losses and PzBefWg losses<br /><br />Source: Ba-MA RH 10/65 critical masshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02366274198749901618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-22604832775032975962015-11-28T12:44:47.346-05:002015-11-28T12:44:47.346-05:00I suppose rightly so, you're not losing much, ...I suppose rightly so, you're not losing much, if any penetration power for a massive gain in the HE department.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00100656508181887524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-7556749425422666862015-11-27T00:28:54.392-05:002015-11-27T00:28:54.392-05:00107 mm tank and anti-tank guns were developed befo...107 mm tank and anti-tank guns were developed before the war specifically to destroy enemy heavy tanks. When it turned out that the enemy had no heavy tanks, production was ceased in favour of more practical weapons. When these tanks finally showed up, it turned out that the 85 mm gun was good enough. The 107 mm tank gun had a chance to end up in the IS-2, but the 122 mm gun was deemed superior.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-58583910930667421952015-11-26T22:23:05.774-05:002015-11-26T22:23:05.774-05:00That's too bad. 107 AP would have been useful ...That's too bad. 107 AP would have been useful against Tigers and Ferdinands. Was there any reason the 107's weren't used for that kind of thing, beyond expense?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00100656508181887524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-32351812225934008892015-11-26T22:20:27.390-05:002015-11-26T22:20:27.390-05:00Neat! I don't think I've ever seen a photo...Neat! I don't think I've ever seen a photo of a Brumbär without schurtzen, let alone on the eastern front.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00100656508181887524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-83599310405984292582015-11-26T14:06:49.337-05:002015-11-26T14:06:49.337-05:00I fail to see the relevance; doubly so as "Fe...I fail to see the relevance; doubly so as "Ferdinand" became an umbrella term for just about all German casemate AFVs. (Or at least the bigger ones.)Kellomieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04915110653443066212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-88954455610733312472015-11-26T12:02:34.606-05:002015-11-26T12:02:34.606-05:00You said it. And they never get anything wrong. ...You said it. And they never get anything wrong. Like<br />"This time there were 22 tanks, supported by a Ferdinand from the flank." This August 1944. Where is this guy? In Italy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-75652937062726976102015-11-26T09:49:43.383-05:002015-11-26T09:49:43.383-05:00Right because the people charged with documenting ...Right because the people charged with documenting this stuff pulled the unit citations outta their asses. And weren't working off of the daily AARs and simple cross-referencing against friendly positions or anything.Kellomieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04915110653443066212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-57403340708802803792015-11-26T09:12:05.734-05:002015-11-26T09:12:05.734-05:00Sure or dates of discovery of the derelict. There...Sure or dates of discovery of the derelict. There are not a lot of real Soviet battle photos. They are either staged action shots or post battle sanitized scenes. Stories and captions concerning what went on are created at even dates.<br />-MoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-85615662489099793812015-11-26T04:39:58.949-05:002015-11-26T04:39:58.949-05:00You'll note one date is "July 15th"....You'll note one date is "July 15th"... those are obviously dates of destruction, not when the photos were taken and/or compiled. But the repulsed armoured thrusts should already have left a fair few derelicts within the Soviet lines, and most are clear "unrecoverables" anyway - either total write-offs or too heavy to be readily salvaged, nevermind now under the attentions of strong artillery concentrations.Kellomieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04915110653443066212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-29024484991052317682015-11-25T14:39:56.990-05:002015-11-25T14:39:56.990-05:00Yes, as far as I'm aware, only HE shells exist...Yes, as far as I'm aware, only HE shells existed for these guns at this point, and no ammunition was in production at all.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-14230908413049484902015-11-25T14:36:16.287-05:002015-11-25T14:36:16.287-05:00107 mm guns? Those must have been fairly rare by K...107 mm guns? Those must have been fairly rare by Kursk, no?cwjian90https://www.blogger.com/profile/16395697660805862122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-81476835582739681502015-11-25T12:53:24.987-05:002015-11-25T12:53:24.987-05:00I don't think the dates on those photos are co...I don't think the dates on those photos are correct. The Germans didn't give back ground on the northern front until after the 9th. So the photos had to be taken of left behind material.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-62966700205243486502015-11-24T16:20:51.403-05:002015-11-24T16:20:51.403-05:00Yup, I was pretty surprised to see 2 entire Brumba...Yup, I was pretty surprised to see 2 entire Brumbars in the photo set.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-50674893534236045822015-11-24T06:15:07.906-05:002015-11-24T06:15:07.906-05:00It seems it is not so easy getting through when so...It seems it is not so easy getting through when something more than 45 mm caliber will occur.<br />And had Ferdinants at this stage of war HE rounds? Heinz Guderian said that infantry could not follow behind them because they were not able to neutralize enemy infantry or machine guns. Just against big targets it was adequate. Crabteeth RMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09715071498952492184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-36070523823879135942015-11-24T06:01:20.866-05:002015-11-24T06:01:20.866-05:00The first wreck in picture #7 is a "Brummbär&...The first wreck in picture #7 is a "Brummbär" innit? Those don't turn up often, but then again with a production run just a hair over 300...Kellomieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04915110653443066212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-62370808123063476412015-11-24T02:48:45.262-05:002015-11-24T02:48:45.262-05:00Some very interesting photos, showing not only the...Some very interesting photos, showing not only the destructive power of the Soviet artillery, but also the mix of tanks used.Steve J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12143308117853983963noreply@blogger.com